From: Narciso Rivas


Mr Korn

I Have Some question since I know your more knowledgeable than me in science

Does the human body and nature have a design or and order of function for all humans?

Does science have a answer for our origin, not opinions but one solid fact?

For me according to my knowledge, us humans have some knowledge of the structure and mechanics of nature(human anatomy note seems Like a well design machine with an order according to the human anatomy books just that many humans are still not educated in how it works) human systems( Business systems, Country systems, structure and mechanics of a computer(computer is a model of the human anatomy) but humans still don't have a clue about our real origin or what happens after we die because if we did(note science nor religion has those answers only our beliefs fill those openings) we would solve life puzzles. If science or religion had the exact scenario in what happens exactly in our origin or after we die many problems will be resolved, we would probably know the answers of life.

I can give you my 6 step model of life if you wish?

Respond Please


Narciso,

I don’t understand your first question, so perhaps you could clarify it.

As to the second question, there are many parts to our origins, some of them well known, others mostly unknown. Evolution by natural selection is extremely well established, despite what some religions would like to think. It’s clear that chimpanzees are our closest animal relatives (and chimps are more closely related to us than they are to gorillas and monkeys). There are good ways of estimating (using DNA) how long ago various species split from each other. Obviously a lot of things that happened in pre-historic times are hard to know, like how people first started using language. Scientists have some thoughts about how all life began from a single reproducing entity but these are very speculative.

I know of no reason to think that consciousness exists without a functioning brain, so when a brain stops functioning at death, consciousness will end permanently in my opinion. Obviously some religions teach differently, but this doesn’t seem to be based on any evidence.

I’ll be happy to look at your six step model.

Bob


The 6 step life model is

Box 1 is Our Origen

Box 2 Nature Structure and function( Example Human Body, Universe, Animals, Planets etc.) Nature especially the human anatomy seems like a design and a collective order that has a function and a structure that involves natural laws to operate. I think will call it nature since we(humans) did not create the human body or nature it was just their and we are part of it.

Box 3 The meaning of nature( Humans have beliefs about nature some people say that nature is a expresion of love, others say that nature is a disaster and some don't care.

Box 4 Systems created by Humans( computers, goverment, Business, culture, religion, Scientific studies etc.)

Box 5 History, Human expiernce, Human cliams about events and beliefs.

Box 6 After we die( what happens)

Box 1 Explanation: We had a origin either it was Intelligent Design or Evolution or other options that I do not know. I do believe in a designer(artist) who designed nature for me the best example is the human body. It has a order and works in a certain way like a car. I know people debate if their is no Inteligent designer and if their is( not talking about religion). But the information people have about our origin determines their outcome of life. For me information stands for(Facts, theories, beliefs, opinions). In this box humans fill the information with Atheism, Inteligent design only without religion, Inteligent design with religon, religion, No designer(No God) but nature has a order and it started at the universe since it has always been their , we came from aliens etc( note if you know more options of our origin please feel free to write them so I can aquire more knowledge)

Box 2 Explanation Nature works in a order and has operational laws( what has happend in our past and even today is that including me (that why Bought a Human Anatomy Book is our incorrect knowledge about the real mechanics of our human body and nature. Note I always metioned our human body because it is the closet thing we have to learn in how it really works( me and you Mr. korn are in a body now. People have developed inrational beliefs about nature for example( many people believed and still believe now that a vasectomy affects your orinating function(males) when in reality looking at the one of the 12 organ systems( reproductive system and urinating system) when you urinate the fluids come from the bladder though the uretha and out of the opening of the uretha while a vasectomy is a contraceptive procedure for males not to have childen by cutting the middle of the vas deferens to avoid sperm to flow in the seminal vesicles(were sperm is stored) sperm is produced in the testicles into the epididymis and should flow though the vas deferens into the seminal vesicles but since the the vas deferens is cut in half sperm will not travel to the seminal vesicles. The function of urinating does not affect you if your vas deferens has been cut. I used to believe this too(just giving you an example so you can get my point.)

Box 3 The meaning of nature depends on the beliefs about what a person believes about their origin and about the after life( for example some people believe in love because they believe their origin is love(God) while other people don;t believe in love at all etc.

Box 4 Systems created by humans are their to serve a purpose. Goverment was created by humans to create order in a country and give it a structure. Airplanes were made by humans to make us fly in the air and to travel at a much faster speed than a boat around the world.

Box 5 What we know about our history(depends our country of origin who showed us their version of history including the Us) will many times determine our perception of life and history. Human claims about seeing aliens etc.

Box 6 After life What people believe of the after life some believe in heaven and hell, some believe in recarnation, some believe in another dimension and some people believe thatg when you die its game over. Note I respect your opinion about the after life.

Conclusion

For me no Human being(not even the smartest scientist in the world knows everything) will know what exactly happend in the begining of the time or after we die(the only way we know for a fact what happens after we die is when we die and expiernce it)that why I believe what you said this sentence_(magic word opinion.

I know of no reason to think that consciousness exists without a functioning brain, so when a brain stops functioning at death, consciousness will end permanently in my opinion. Obviously some religions teach differently, but this doesn’t seem to be based on any evidence.

I respect you Mr Korn for what you have shown me(I consider you One of my teachers) You showed me how everything we will ever know in this life was an elaboration of information of all the brains(humans) who existed, exist and will exist on each of these 6 topics. everything we know about these 6 topics is information that we elaborated in our brains or an elaboration of all other brains(humans) that have generated information about the 6 topics of life.

We have to choose which humans to aquire information from on each topic. Life seems about fill in the blanks with information in each of the 6 topics and the only people who can help you to fill in the blanks is your brain elaboration of Information or the information aquired by all humans who existed, exist or will exist. (Choose wisely)

I know that you are a very inteligent and knowlegable gentleman but I know that you or no one can assure what really happens after we die 100% until we expiernce. Many parts of life are dependable on beliefs not facts.

I need your feedback and if you can give me even more ideas in what to include in my 6 step model of life

What ever information each human fills in each of these 6 boxes will shape our lifes.

Remember each time I use the word information I mean(facts,beliefs, opinions, ideas etc on each topic)


Narciso,

As I think you'd agree, it's good to have experts you feel are good sources of information, but even experts can become emotionally attached to some wrong idea. If an expert were wrong about some objective fact that other people could check, he'd probably get into trouble we'd know about. When it's a matter of judgment, we should try to get the facts from the experts and form our own opinions. Here are some thoughts on your six steps.

1. Origins. It's hard to know what happened millions or billions of years ago. Scientists make careful observations and debate the possibilities and have come to some conclusions. They could be wrong, but part of science (but not part of religion or politics) is constantly reexamining old evidence and looking for new evidence to determine whether anything was wrong that needs to be changed. I don't know any good alternatives to science for figuring out what's true. People use revelation (from voices or dreams) but this always seems to give wrong information. Another method is what we know "deep down", but that seems to actually be a function of cultural indoctrination or wishful thinking. My own policy is to tentatively accept what scientists say if they widely agree and admit I don't know if they have major disagreements. If it's important to me, I learn as much as I can so I can make up my own mind.

2. Structure. If we look at the universe as a whole, there is structure, like galaxies, gas clouds, stars, planets, supernovas, and black holes, but this just seems to be physical laws acting on huge numbers of elementary particles. Virtually none of this seems to have any purpose. The structure of biological organisms, including us, does seem purposeful. This is explained extremely well by evolution with natural selection. I recommend the book "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins. It might take 10 or 20 hours to read but even if you disagree, as a seeker of knowledge it's important to know what the best scientists have to say about the subject.

3. Meaning of nature. I don't feel that nature is designed for us - rather we are "designed" to survive in nature. Nature contains good things that help us and bad things we try to avoid. Love is part of human nature (it helps us to survive) but nature doesn't love us.

4. Man made systems. This is such a big subject that it's tough to make any generalities about it. Virtually all would be better if people worked harder to avoid false beliefs.

5. Human experience. Maybe you could call this culture. Huge amounts of useful information get passed down from other people, but some is false or detrimental. If there are differences between cultures we have to be careful not to assume our own culture is right. Even if most cultures agree, we need to consider they possibility they could all be wrong.

6. After death. We don't get any feedback about this (I'm pretty sure people who claim to communicate with the dead are frauds or deluding themselves). If humans are biological organisms that came about through chemical processes, it's hard to see why we'd have a "soul" that continues to exist.
Your categories are a good way of dividing up knowledge and philosophical issues. I'm glad to see you're so interested in understanding the big questions.

Bob


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